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Episode 137: The Climate Crisis and Coaching Connection with guests, Alison Maitland and Eve Turner
The climate crisis represents humanity's greatest challenge—but how can professional coaches contribute to solutions? In this revealing conversation, we explore the groundbreaking work of the Climate Coaching Alliance (CCA), a volunteer-driven global movement transforming how coaches approach environmental consciousness.
Joining us are Alison Maitland, leadership and inclusion coach focused on helping leaders address society's biggest challenges, and Eve Turner, one of the CCA's co-founders. Together, they share the remarkable story of how a small group of committed coaches launched a movement that now spans continents, languages, and coaching specialties.
The discussion tackles a fundamental question many coaches struggle with: how do we ethically incorporate climate awareness without imposing our agenda on clients? As Eve explains, "We're not just coaches—we're human beings," and this work requires us to examine our role in either maintaining or transforming existing systems. Alison adds powerful perspective on working with climate-related emotions: "The deeper the emotions, the more evidence that people care, how much they love the earth."
You'll discover practical approaches for bringing climate consciousness into your coaching practice, from chemistry sessions to values discussions. Learn about the wealth of resources available through the CCA, including communities in multiple languages, special interest groups, and their comprehensive guidebook filled with exercises, questions, and stories from coaches worldwide.
Perhaps most compelling is the connection between planetary transformation and personal transformation. Climate coaching isn't just about external challenges—it involves deep inner work. As coaches develop their capacity to hold space for difficult emotions like grief and anxiety, they simultaneously help clients navigate our changing world with resilience and purpose.
Whether you're already engaged in climate work or just beginning to explore its relevance to coaching, this conversation offers valuable insights, practical resources, and an open invitation to join a supportive community making a meaningful difference.
Watch the full interview by clicking here.
Find the full article here.
Learn more about Alison here.
Learn more about Eve here.
You can join the Climate Coaching Alliance.
You can purchase the book Ecological and Climate here and use this 20% coupon code 25AFLY1.
There are 13 professional coaching, supervision, mentoring and coaching psychology bodies and communities who have signed up the joint statement on the ecological and climate crisis, they can find out more here.
Here is a link to an amazing short poem by American poet and climate activist, Drew Dellinger, sent to music and words by Bioneers.
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Welcome to Beyond the Page, the official podcast of Choice, the magazine of professional coaching, where we bring you amazing insights and in-depth features that you won't find anywhere else. I'm your host, gary Schleifer, and I'm excited to expand your learning as we dive into the latest articles. Have a chat with the brilliant authors behind them and uncover the learnings that are transforming the coaching world. Join our vibrant community of coaching professionals as we explore groundbreaking ideas, share expert tips and techniques and make a real difference in our clients' lives. This is your go-to resource for all things coaching, so let's dive in.
Garry Schleifer:In today's episode, I'm speaking with Leadership and Inclusion coach Alison Maitland, who's the author of an article in our latest issue "Climate Consciousness and Coaching Making the Connection. The article itself is entitled Climate Coaching Alliance A global coaching movement addressing the climate crisis." A little bit about Allison she has an MA. She's a PCC, a coach, author and facilitator focused on leadership, inclusion and the well-being of people and planet. That makes so much sense. Alison supports leaders at all levels to gain confidence, clarity and fulfillment as they address their own and society's biggest challenges. She's a trained climate coach and a facilitator of active hope an evidence-based approach to build resilience and inspired action in the face of crisis. A former longtime Financial Times journalist, Alison is a Senior Fellow with the Conference Board and a mentor for racial equity and climate programs.
Garry Schleifer:And if that's not enough, joining us today is Eve Turner, who's one of the Climate Coaching Alliance founders. Thanks for being here, Eve. A little bit about her. She's a coach and supervisor globally and author and co-author of several books, chapters and articles, including Ecological and Climate Conscious Coaching, a Companion Guide to Evolving Coaching Practice; Systemic Coaching; and the Ethical Coaches Handbook. And yes, I have seen you all over the place, so we're so thrilled to have you.
Garry Schleifer:A little bit more about Eve. She's a past Chair of the Body of the Association of Professional Executive Coaching and Supervision, and volunteers extensively, including co-founding the Climate Coaching Alliance, known as the CCA, and founding the first learning network for supervisors, the GSN, Global Supervisors Network, in 2016. Eve was also one of four people who co-authored the unique and collaborative statement on behalf of several coaching, mentor, supervision and coaching Psychology Professional Bodies on the Climate and Ecological Crisis. She's had three careers. Interesting. See, here are the little things we don't know. As a musician in the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, and ultimately being a senior leader running a division of 250 people, most recently as a coach, supervisor, researcher and writer. Thank you both for joining me today. I'm so thrilled to have both of you here. The article author and one of the founders of the Climate Coaching Alliance. Welcome.
Alison Maitland:Thank you. It's great to be here.
Garry Schleifer:Wow, I'm just honored to have both of you here. Seriously, I've been a member, receiving information, I don't know if you call members of the Climate Coaching Alliance. I know Canada has a chapter as well, seeing all the great work that you're doing. But, Alison, why did you decide to write this article and contribute on? I mean, I know why it's for us, but why did you think it was important for us?
Alison Maitland:Well, it was actually you who approached me, I think, through various connections of CCA, and that's one of the things about CCA. It's a vast network and people tell each other about things and pass things on, useful things on and when you invited me to write something about it, I thought this would be absolutely wonderful, was high time we had, you know, a really nice big article in a professional coaching magazine. A wonderful way to tell people who are coaching, who don't know about what we're doing. And so, actually, I'm really grateful that the invitation was issued and it's been really rewarding to write a piece that captures this incredibly compelling story of CCA. We are a movement of thousands of diverse voices around the globe and, yeah, so I'm grateful that we've had this opportunity. Everything about CCA is collective, including the article, because it was written with the support and input of the co-founders.
Alison Maitland:Well, certainly, Eve and Josie McLean. It was wonderful to have their help, and sadly, Ali Whybrow is no longer with us, otherwise I'm sure she would have been helping and supporting, as always. And also, you're members of the Global Coordination Pod, so that's sort of the group that holds a central role. So I'm really thrilled that Eve was also able to join for this interview and I wanted to feedback that there's already been some very positive feedback from CCA members. We're collectively really grateful to have been able to share this collective vision that we have and to honor the vision of the founders, I guess. And so a couple of pieces of feedback that I've already seen on LinkedIn from CCA members. One said it feels very good to be represented in this way, and somebody else said I'm so happy to be part of this amazing community of coaches, united in climate action.
Garry Schleifer:Yeah. Well, thank you and thanks for the feedback too, and for letting our audience know that. We're very proud to do it too. It's very strange because I was working, my co-lead on the issue was Renee Friedman, and oh my gosh, that lady was just, she was fantastic. She knew all of you, she knew all the threads to pull to pull this all together, so I'm absolutely thrilled and thankful for her help. More importantly, it goes back to, and I hope we weave this throughout the conversation, that two of my passions concern about the planet. So, climate consciousness.
Garry Schleifer:I'm a recycle, reduce, reuse freak, but I never saw, and I'm a passionate about coaching and I never saw the connection of the two. So this issue was a little bit selfish for me to see where and to help our audience see that as well. So thank you for all the work you've done. I'm going to ask, I'm going to go directly to Eve and say so, you were one of the co-founders. What made you do it? Why? I mean thank you.
Eve Turner:I think 2019 was an interesting year because if you go to LinkedIn even now, there was a letter that was written to the coaching profession, and the people who wrote it were called Zoe Cohen, Linda Aspey and Ali Whybrow, who was the third co-founder of the CCA, and it was a time when people were getting increasingly concerned, of course, about the planet, but also perhaps frustrated that their own professions weren't getting involved in some way. So this was an open letter which said we need to do something, and that was, I think, one of the reasons that 2019 became the year and in it, it was a clever thing to do, they mentioned the Global Supervisors Network because they wanted to create something, or they wanted something to be created would be more the appropriate phase, and that was like that, because the Global Supervisors Network is a community. It's a community that's free to join, so people access it globally. There's no assumption that people can afford to pay, because there's an understanding that wherever you are in the world, money means something different and your access to it is something different. So Ali was the common link in that she wrote the open letter and Ali and I knew each other back from a long time ago. And then I happen to know Josie McLean, who's in Australia, and I've known her for many, many years and this is her area of interest. It's the area of her PhD interest too, and so I suppose it's just lots of conversations, and I think one of the things for Josie, Ali, and I is this idea I love your Cs.
Eve Turner:I mean, it's a compelling story, maybe, and we talked about the collective, didn't you, Ali? But the other thing is, if we collaborate, if we work together, we can do so much more than if we're all trying to do something separately and alone. So we just had this vision. I remember us having our first meeting, which was in November 2019, and we just had this vision that if we could get people to come together, somehow it would work. I mean, we might have been being naive. So we had this meeting in November and in December we invited people from pretty much every professional body, lots of people we knew that were writing in the field, quite well known in the coaching field, and surprisingly, they sort of all turned up, and so we had maybe 60, 80 people just turn up to some introductory meetings to the CCA, and I think there was a lot of support. So I think some of it is about the timing was right. There were just other things going on at the time and from that we just set up the CCA, created a logo.
Eve Turner:We set up a website and it just started. And then we had this crazy idea of doing a 24-hour, we could call it, festival, but the idea was to go to every time zone in the world for an hour in March, which, as we've discovered, isn't the best not to do it because everyone's clocks is changing and gosh do we get ourselves in trouble. But we did 24 hour discussion, 24 discussions an hour at a time in March 2020. And I think it's rather like Alison was describing about the feedback to the article. The feedback was it was of its time. People had this sense that they wanted to do something, but whereas they knew what they could do in their personal life, people were much less sure about what they could do when it came to their professional life, and so that was the start.
Garry Schleifer:Oh, thank you for that and then, seriously, thank you for starting it. I've watched it evolve, even over the last few years, and it's changed a lot. The seasons conversation, the chapters or groups around have been fabulous. While we still have you on the mic Eve, what do you see? Maybe Alison as well? What do you see has been the impact? What's transpired that was a result of the Climate Coaching Alliance?
Eve Turner:Well, the first thing I'd say is I think it's given people a safe place to go to talk about these things, because right from the start, we were really clear, you know, when Ali, Josie and I were talking, that people would join us where they were.
Eve Turner:Some people might have no understanding of the impact of climate. Some people might be incredibly knowledgeable and already be very active. But that it would be a really all-embracing and inclusive community, and I think that has been one of its successes, because we have such a range of people join and their reasons will all have one purpose, which is around, I want to make more of a difference in this area. But they may have different, a different understanding of how to do so, but everyone was welcome and everyone could come in and get involved in discussions, and get involved in meetings, workshops, whatever it was, and also could connect with each other. And I think one of the greatest strengths of the CCA has been the ability to build community to build community by geography. So there are communities all around the world now and in many different languages but also by areas of interest as well. So there might be a community that's building around nature, another community that's building around how do we bring this into education, and so on. What would you like to add, Alison?
Alison Maitland:Yes, I think that those are all really, really key things. And one thing I would add is maybe about the events, the multitude of events that we run, particularly. I mean obviously started with your 24 hour cycle thing, but then it then it sort of morphed into an annual festival and people came together. We're all volunteers, but people came together to propose speakers, to find speakers, to actually, you know, find connections to speakers who were further away from us, and early on, I think there was quite an emphasis on finding speakers from voices that were not often heard, and that's where, you know, we have connections.
Alison Maitland:But people with those connections turn to indigenous people, indigenous wisdom to bring into this whole sphere voices that are often not heard or ignored and voices of great wisdom for how we understand what's happening to our planet and how we can care for it better. And I think that through those events, which have all been online, people have been able to watch recordings if they weren't able to attend the actual thing in their time zone. That's really sort of raised the profile of CCA, partly with the speakers themselves. They have been yeah, well, I spoke at this event CCA, I've heard about it now. Then they've passed that on. So I think there's been this real sort of well, we often call it a snowball in this part of the world, a snowballing effect. It's probably not. It's very good for you in Canada at the the moment, Garry, with your snow.
Garry Schleifer:Where it happens to be snowing again today. It is spring.
Garry Schleifer:Nature, it's spring.
Alison Maitland:Not, not such a great metaphor for the equator, but anyway, people probably know what I mean.
Garry Schleifer:Yeah, you know, one of the things that might be like right in our face about here as an outcome is Alison, it says in your profile that you're a climate coach, so how did that come about? Was that an outcome of the Climate Coaching Alliance?
Alison Maitland:No, it wasn't actually. I think I did some training before I had joined the Climate Coaching Alliance. But how that came about was I was doing my coach training at the same time as writing a book, co-writing a book about inclusion, about inclusion in organizations, which is called Indivisible. So I was doing my first kind of coaching and doing the training, and when we sort of emerged from marketing the book and all of the excitement of that, I really was able to think what do I actually want to do with my coaching? I've got these skills now. W here can I best apply them? And I heard at a conference. I heard Charlie Cox of Climate Change Coaches speaking and was very compelled by what she was saying about how coaching could actually play a part in in addressing the climate, the climate crisis.
Alison Maitland:So I wanted to know more and eventually I signed up and and did that program and I actually found that incredibly useful, particularly for diving deep into the really big emotions that people feel about the climate emergency and being able to be with them, be with those emotions and to coach clients in those emotions and through those emotions. Because actually, those emotions they might be like grief or anger or fear, and they're all really important, telling us something about ourselves and how much we care. So the greater, the deeper the emotions, you know, the more evidence that people care, how much they love the earth, how much they love nature or the people on this planet. And so really sort of learning how to use our coaching skills with those deep emotions. And unfortunately, I'm sad to say that I think we're going to have to be doing more of that work with eco-anxiety as coaches, because it's ever present and it's going to, you know, it's going to get worse unless we take the urgent action that's needed.
Alison Maitland:And we do need to feel that we're equipped, I think you know, to have the confidence to be with those emotions. So training was super helpful. It was like an additional training to my core coach training, but super helpful. And then, being in the Climate Coaching Alliance and having all the conversations that we have and the events that we have, I've learned a huge amount more and also obviously been able to share what I've learned.
Garry Schleifer:Right. Well and then I'm wondering so, as a fellow coach, how much do I need to know about climate and related issues to do that kind of coaching?
Alison Maitland:Yeah, yeah, I think that's a really important question. I mean, I would say, you know, you definitely don't have to be a climate scientist or a sustainability officer.
Garry Schleifer:Good, because I'm not.
Alison Maitland:Just as you, you know exactly. Just as you don't have to be an expert in your client sectors or in their roles, you don't have to be doing the function that your client is doing.
Alison Maitland:They're doing that function. They know best.
Alison Maitland:But I would say that to do an effective job as coaches, which is really about evoking awareness in our clients and with our clients, we do need to be very aware ourselves of what's happening to the planet.
Alison Maitland:We need to be aware of what's happening to habitats and to people as a result of the climate crisis, and also to really sense into just how urgent this situation is. And I think that that can easily be part of our continuing learning as coaches, really understanding the wider systems in which we and our clients are operating, and actually being a member of CCA is a fantastic way to kind of increase our knowledge and skills to help our clients address this biggest challenge of our time. And I would say that also, it also depends, of course, on where your client or your coaching partner is on all of this, because I mentioned, you know, a lot of young people, particularly young people and people who are at the sharp end of addressing the crisis are, you know, for them, eco anxiety is very real.
Alison Maitland:It is for some or many older people as well, but particularly, I think, for those who are looking at the future from youth. So I think that, you know, we can practice these skills with our peers. We can do the training like I mentioned. So there are lots of different ways to gain these skills. I don't think we should be at all afraid of coming into this and going with it because coaching skills will be applicable throughout here.
Garry Schleifer:And if someone did want to follow your lead in being a climate coach, where did you take your training?
Alison Maitland:Oh, there are quite a lot of different trainings available now. The one that I did was with Climate Change Coaches, but there are now, I think, a number of others. Eve, do you know of others?
Eve Turner:There are lots around the world and many of them have, for example, ICF accreditation, which people might be surprised at their credential, but a lot of them are credentialed and they literally are around the world. Some of through universities, so it's much more present now as something people can access. I think just to pick up on one thing Alison said I mean there was a piece of research I think it was 2021 now that was done with 10,000 young people up to the age of 25, just to underline what Alison said about echo anxiety and I wish I could remember the exact quote but someone's saying we're going to have to live with the consequences of what you're not doing. I mean that was really the feeling among young people. It's very strong. I think I'd also like to bring in that now it's much clearer that the professional bodies within coaching, mentoring, psychology, supervision are more actively engaged in this as a subject.
Eve Turner:That wouldn't have been the case 10 years ago, but there was a statement that was written and I remember because I was one of the four people who wrote it, and it was in 2020. And remember 2020, the dark days of Covid. You know March. We think we started writing it in the January of that year and it was published. The first version was published in the May of that year and the four of us who wrote it represented the International Coach Federation that was Magda Mook and the EMCC and the Association for Coaching, and then a number of other professional bodies have got involved literally around the world, and we're currently, as we're recording this, which is in the spring or the spring in the northern part of the world of 2025.
Eve Turner:We're now doing a second version of the statement, which is sort of responding to how things are today.
Eve Turner:So we worked out that there were about 300,000 coaches represented by the professional bodies who are signatories to this statement, which is quite a long statement about climate and ecological crisis, and that in itself is surprising. If you look at things like the ethical codes, actually they do make reference to things like climate change, as they do to equity and diversity and inclusion. So the support is there for us to work in this area, and sometimes I feel people have wanted permission, but I think the permission is there. What we'd never do, and Alison has sort of alluded to this is, when I go and speak to a client or a supervisor or a coachee, I don't say now, tell me what you think about the climate crisis. You know that's not how we do it. But in the way that we contract with people, in the way that we raise topics with people, we're allowing them to bring the things that matter to them, that matter to their family, that matter to their future, and I think that's the way that, well for me anyway, that it sort of gets drawn out.
Garry Schleifer:Right, yeah, well, you're referencing the question that was on my mind and I'm sure the listeners is that what if it's not on your client's agenda? Right or not, like they were not there to promote climate change, or say you know, what do you think about that?
Alison Maitland:Yeah, I mean, I obviously agree with Eve and I think about, you know, about the fact that there is now a lot of support from the professional bodies. I think that still quite a lot of coaches are not aware of that and there is a fear about, you know, but it's not my client's agenda, so how could I possibly, how could I possibly bring that in? I mean that used to be the rule and so actually, when I did my training, I mean that was the rule. You know it's all about your client's agenda, but the coaching profession has definitely moved on and I think that's now probably quite an outdated notion.
Alison Maitland:The important question is probably now is not should we bring it in, but how we bring it in, and Eve has talked about how the many different ways that we can do that, and I think because we're in a unique position, we're often in a unique position as coaches of working with leaders who've got considerable influence. We should really be thinking about how best to address this with them, and we can get curious. I mean, there are lots of ways of getting curious. I think I said in the article that well, actually this is on the bigger agenda for everybody. It's affecting everybody to a greater or lesser extent in the in the world and it's going to affect everyone who's living today and their children and grandchildren. So you can bring it in that way. You can bring it in through their legacy or what their purpose is.
Alison Maitland:You know, being here on this earth, I think I said if you were working with a client and you noticed water dripping through the ceiling, you wouldn't say to yourself oh, I mustn't mention that because it's not on my client's agenda today. So there are lots of ways that we can bring it in.
Garry Schleifer:There are a lot of buildings that have leaks. You're the second person in a week to talk about leaky ceilings and it's not on the client's agenda. That's the weirdest thing.
Eve Turner:I think the other thing that I'd say is that what we've learned through the research, through the reading that we've done and through the book, which I'll mention in a moment, is that climate and ecological work doesn't exist in isolation. You know, we live in a connected world and we know that, for example, in a study that was done in America, people who are suffering from the effects of climate and maybe pollution, etc., are also the ones who are the poorest. They're often people who are not white. So there are so many social issues that are connected to this.
Eve Turner:We know that the parts of the world who are dealing with some of the worst effects of climate change are people who've not really contributed to it. So we know that there are such broad issues. It doesn't exist in isolation. Climate change, in the end, is an end product of a lot of other choices and decisions that we've made. Maybe I could mention the book, because one of the things that the CCA, has produced a book, and I'll just.
Garry Schleifer:Why don't you tell us about the book, Eve?
Eve Turner:So it's this book which came out.
Garry Schleifer:Technological and Climate Conscious Coaching ~ A companion guide to evolving coaching practice. For those of you that are listening and can't see the lovely book that Eve's holding up.
Eve Turner:That's lovely, thank you. And this is a book that is full of stories from around the world. So it's stories of things that people are doing, it's personal stories, but it's absolutely full of ideas, of questions we can use, of approaches, of exercises. I mean, it's just so many possibilities of things that people do and actually some lovely poems as well. And just to say that the royalties from this book are going to an ecological charity as well. So this book, if you didn't get any other book and you just wanted some ideas, would give you the ideas. And I don't mind saying that because, even though I'm one of the authors, I'm not making a penny from it.
Alison Maitland:But I will absolutely second it. I was not involved in the book at all, but I absolutely second that it is. It's such a useful book and it's it really causes us, as coaches, to reflect, to reflect on our practice and one of the things that it led me to do was also to think about the whole issue of coach training and why in my coach training was there no mention really of bigger systems, bigger systems theory, and of the situation that we're in the climate crisis, the emergency, and how do we sort of bring those kind of things into our coaching? Or you know, what matters to us? I mean, one way you can talk about it actually, I think, is in, say, chemistry sessions with clients or discovery sessions. Once you're engaged together, it is talking about your values. You know your own values as a coach and you don't have to go on and on and on about it, but it's quite good for your clients to know who they're working with, who they're dealing with, and I think that can be a really helpful way to get into it.
Garry Schleifer:Yeah, well, and the way you market yourself. Alison, you say you're a climate coach, so that offers the client the opportunity to ask the question what does that mean and how might I tap into that if that's of interest to them? Marketing as well, and the other word that comes to mind for me is prepared. We've done issues and articles where we're talking about things like trauma and how to be a trauma-informed coach and how to be ready for the conversation, so part of this might be about just being about ready, willing and able to have the conversation about climate consciousness. So yeah, thank you. Ladies, what else would you like our audience to know as a result of this article and the conversation? Obviously, the book, which we'll provide the link and a coupon code. Watch for it.
Alison Maitland:Well, I'd love to tell people a little bit more about what's entailed if you're a member, you know a bit of becoming a member of climate coaching. , What does that actually mean in practice?
Alison Maitland:So I think there are some important things to say. I mean, we've said already that it is free to join. The idea was to make it really accessible to everybody, whatever their level of income, wherever they were in the world. It's very easy to join. You just go to the website, Climate Coaching Alliance, and there's a registration form. You can sign up and you will be most welcome, as Eve, I think, said earlier, people who join are at many different stages and they might be just curious and a little bit unsure, or they might be well advanced in this field, well established. We have quite a lot of members who are working in sustainability, regeneration and climate, all kinds who actually want to learn how. They want to learn coaching skills so they can better work with their teams, with their colleagues, with their stakeholders in their organizations. So, you know, it's a little bit of the reverse really, but they've come to learn the coaching skills so we learn from them, because they're sustainability experts.
Alison Maitland:And there are all these different communities that Eve mentioned before. We've got communities in lots of different languages now, so you can find your language. We've got Polish, Spanish, T urkish, Arabic, Korean, Indonesian, amongst others now, and you know all these different topic or special interest areas I mean some others, I think work and careers. There's a research pod, there's a partnerships pod, there's one on deep adaptation, there's one on coaching with nature, coaching in nature. Then there are all this incredible resources of online events that fellow members organize or host. So and if you're a new member, you can come to. There are monthly meetings for new members to kind of induct you in the ways of the CCA.
Garry Schleifer:No hazing involved, no hazing.
Alison Maitland:We have an amazing monthly newsletter with lots of information and there's a new thing which is bringing together lots and lots of resources, which is a library basically for resources and videos, and it's called The Hive to align with the living systems principles. A hive is a brilliant example of a living system where everyone plays their part, every bee plays their part.
Garry Schleifer:Just watch out for that queen bee, though that's all.
Alison Maitland:No, we don't have any queen bees actually. But yeah, I think that it's true to say, Eve, isn't it that the more that you put into things like this, the more you get out? And in terms of learning resources, connections, you know, support, and amazing connections actually. I mean, I've just met so many wonderful people through through this community as well.
Eve Turner:I think connection is so important because we're going through turbulent times. You know, at this moment there is so much going on in the world, and for me there's just a basic question for all of us to think about, which does link to what Alison said about our values. You know, what is our role? Not just as coaches, because we're not just coaches or supervisors, or mentors or psychologists. We're human beings, and so is our role to support and help maintain things as they are with all that that means and perhaps the inequities that that might bring? Or is our role to be part of something bigger, to be part of transformation? And it's not that I have an answer to that, it's a question I might pose, but we'll each perhaps have an individual way of looking at that, and so that's what I'd say we all find our own route, we find our own way to do it.
Eve Turner:You know Alison's talked about her way to do it. My way has been slightly different. Yes, I founded, co-founded the CCA. I do a lot of writing. We'll all find our way, and really the CCA is about supporting people to find their way.
Garry Schleifer:And share their examples with others and to see what resonates, which is why we did this whole issue and why, if this is resonating with you, join the Climate Coaching Alliance.
Eve Turner:Thank you.
Alison Maitland:Absolutely, and there's one more thing.
Alison Maitland:Have I got time for me to say one more thing?
Alison Maitland:Which is about how really the mega transformation, the systems transformation that's needed if we are to actually to fully address this climate crisis and survive, as a planet, it involves personal transformation. It involves each of us, you know, going on that journey, and we can help leaders to do that. We can help people generally to do that as coaches, but we also need to go on that journey and I think that's something that I've been very aware of. The personal transformation and it happens for each person, as Eve says, in their own unique way.
Alison Maitland:But that's one of our biggest roles as coaches to help people through that
Garry Schleifer:Thank you, and thank you for connecting the dots for me and for our readers and our listeners. We really appreciate it, and for everything and the evolution in five years. Oh, my goodness, like wow. All community, collaboration, community. Before we go, what's the best way to reach each of you?
Eve Turner:LinkedIn, aren't we? We're both on LinkedIn.
Garry Schleifer:That's usually a great answer,
Alison Maitland:My email address, I think is in the edition, isn't it?
Garry Schleifer:It's is. It is in the contributor section.
Alison Maitland:If you would like to contact me directly.
Eve Turner:People are very welcome to contact me.
Garry Schleifer:Yeah, thank you both for joining us Uh, for Beyond this beyond Page the page episode, I really appreciate Um, I thank you for all the work you're doing and will do to transform our conversation and our
Alison Maitland:Thank you, Garry, for for giving us this opportunity. It's been great talking to you.
Garry Schleifer:or it.
Eve Turner:Thank you for making it so enjoyable.
Garry Schleifer:Yeah, my pleasure. I just hey. I love this stuff, so I'm happy. That's it for this episode of Beyond the Page. For more episodes, subscribe via your favorite podcast app. If you're not a subscriber to choice Magazine, you can sign up for a free digital issue by scanning the QR code in the top right-hand corner of our screen or by going to choice-online. com and clicking the sign up now button. I'm Garry Schleifer. Enjoy the journey of mastery. Thanks again.