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Episode 143: Climate Coaching: Navigating Eco-Anxiety with Resilience with guest, Arianne Weiner

• Garry Schleifer

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How do we coach clients through a climate crisis that affects their career decisions, life planning, and mental wellbeing? Arianne Weiner, PhD, PCC, shares her journey from business coach focused on bottom lines to recognizing the profound impact climate anxiety has on clients across generations.

The awakening came when Arianne's Gen Z nieces visited—both highly educated environmental professionals carrying an emotional weight about climate that manifested in existential questions about homes, children, and whether their efforts would matter. This eye-opening conversation made her realize she had been "coaching around climate without naming it" despite working with clients in environmental fields.

Arianne offers practical approaches for bringing climate consciousness into coaching conversations without hijacking clients' agendas. Rather than direct questioning, she suggests exploring what might be "lingering in the background" when clients express anxiety or overwhelm. This subtle approach often unlocks profound revelations as clients connect their feelings to broader world concerns.

The generational divide in how climate anxiety manifests is striking. For Gen Z, climate change shapes identity, career choices, and sense of purpose—it's not a distant threat but an immediate reality affecting life planning. For Gen X and Boomers, it might appear as stress around business sustainability or systemic frustrations. Understanding these differences helps coaches attune to emotional undercurrents.

Building resilience emerges as the cornerstone of climate-conscious coaching. "Resilience isn't about being unshakable—it's about being movable and renewable," Arianne explains. This means helping clients embrace adaptive thinking, strengthen emotional intelligence, align actions with values, and cultivate community support. Sometimes resilience is as simple as "choosing to make dinner and not falling into a doom scroll."

Ready to incorporate climate consciousness into your coaching? Join communities like the Climate Coaching Alliance, engage in cross-generational conversations, and reflect on your own ecological footprint. The changing world affects how our clients experience life and work—by creating space for these conversations, we help them navigate uncertainty with greater awareness and purpose.

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Garry Schleifer:

Welcome to Beyond the Page, the official podcast of choice, the magazine of professional coaching, where we bring you amazing insights and in-depth features that you just won't find anywhere else. I'm your host, Garry Schleifer, and I'm so excited I can't say excited to expand your learning as we dive into the latest articles, have a chat with this brilliant author behind one of them and uncover the learnings that are transforming the coaching world. When you have a chance, join our vibrant community of coaching professionals as we explore groundbreaking ideas, share expert tips and techniques and make a real difference in our clients' lives, which is what we are here to do. Remember, this is your go-to resource for all things coaching. Now let's dive in.

Garry Schleifer:

In today's episode, I'm speaking with Business and Leadership Development Certified Coach and Organizational Development Consultant, Arianne Wiener, which is a very German background name, like Schleifer. She's the author of an article in our latest issue Climate Consciousness and Coaching ~ Making the Connection. The article is entitled Coaching Through the Climate Crisis ~ How to Address Eco-Anxiety and Build Resistance. A little bit about Arianne, she's a PhD, a PCC, and is a seasoned Business and Leadership Development Coach and Organizational Development Consultant. Over the past 25 years, she has empowered leaders and business owners to optimize their people, processes and time to improve their bottom line. Arianne has worked with public agencies and private corporations, helping leaders leverage their strengths for success. Thank you so much for joining me today Now I I have to . ask

Garry Schleifer:

I have to ask I jump right over this. How do you reconcile the what you do is empowering leaders, owners to optimize their people, processes and time to prove the bottom line and climate consciousness, like how did you? I mean you fantastic article for those of you listening, but what drove you to the connection?

Arianne Wiener:

Well, the connection has to do with the fact that it's everywhere. This whole idea of how do we deal with what's going on in the background of the world, climate change, massive changes. It can't just be something that's compartmentalized out there. It's not set aside, it's sitting there every day. Whether we acknowledge it or not, we're hearing the noise. So it's not just affecting businesses or leaders. It's affecting everyone who is a part of what we do, how we show up, where we do our grocery shopping, when we pick our kids up at school, how our teenagers are determining what they want to do next. So we might be a leader of a huge corporation, we can handle it, it's easy and we come home and our kid is full of angst. If that doesn't impact us us how we're going to show up tomorrow, I don't know what will.

Garry Schleifer:

Well, thank you, because there's a part in your article and the word that was not included was hope, and you said it lovingly without actually using the word hope, but it's inferred. So thank you for that.

Arianne Wiener:

I absolutely do believe that there is hope and I can share with you that I just brought up at my dinner table for Passover. We went around the table asking everybody where do they see light? So when we break the matzah, for example, instead of destruction, where do they see light? I had three people at my table over 80, and two of them spoke up immediately and they said I still have hope. And that touched me because they say I wish we were leaving the world in a better place.

Arianne Wiener:

Maybe we are and maybe we aren't, but somewhere in between there must be hope. So thank you for mentioning that, because I think without it we can't move on, we can't help our clients and we can't be good servants to our world. I think this is what this is all about is being kind and generous both to our clients, and to ourselves, and our clients need to learn to be generous also with themselves.

Garry Schleifer:

Generous and kind with space and grace.

Arianne Wiener:

Absolutely.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, well, you've touched on another topic that you also mentioned in the the article. You speak very well about across the different generations.

Garry Schleifer:

Now, what I found interesting is that I'm a lagging, what do you call it, lagging edge late baby boomer, and I'm very passionate about climate consciousness and that, but you spoke about it. The younger generations are even more passionate, which is odd, because you always hear the reports about how they don't really think about the future, in particular, their own future.

Arianne Wiener:

Absolutely. So this is really interesting. I mean, one reason I decided to write about this topic was because when you advertise, you know, is there a topic that's close to your heart? I always read that sentence and I'm like, yeah, this is close to my heart. But what really is very, very close to my heart was the fact that when I read this topic, how can you connect the dots about climate consciousness and coaching it?, it struck me because I think I read it sometime in October and somewhere in June, I had two of my nieces that were visiting. Both are Gen Z and they're unbelievably brilliant, and not just because they are my nieces.

Garry Schleifer:

his, bias there at all.

Arianne Wiener:

No bias. But both of them have Masters. One's in Environmental Scientist, she's in Ecology working with wind and wildlife interaction, and the other is in Environmental Policy and she works with politics and political public administration. And they were visiting and although they were smart and informed, what struck me over the week that they were around is the emotional weight that they were carrying and their friends, multiple scenarios. And they weren't just worried about the climate. They were questioning how to live, how to plan, how to dream. Big questions, whether it was worth buying a home and, if so, where would they buy that home? Would having children be a responsible move for them, and would any of their efforts, even in these disciplines, would it matter? And I thought, my God, it better matter, you know. So that moment cracked something open for me. It was like hearing Metallica at 6 am in the morning before your coffee, or something.

Garry Schleifer:

Oh, yeah.

Arianne Wiener:

So you know right.

Arianne Wiener:

And so here I'm like gosh, I didn't really know what to say. I mean, I coach high performers, leaders, all these people through transitions and challenges and, my gosh, the pandemic. And suddenly I had to admit I've been coaching around climate without naming it. I had geothermal client, I've dealt with public utility departments and I realized no one ever said to me anything about the environment of their job. Nothing.

Arianne Wiener:

We talked about what goes on at work, what the team environment is, what you know, issues with other coworkers, all of that, but nothing like the way these kids were sharing it with me and I thought, my goodness, what am I not seeing? More importantly, what do I need to make space for in my own practice? And it really dawned on me that I can't coach as business as usual anymore because the world is no longer the way it was and thought I don't deal with this population that much, I started creating more space for this uncertainty and existential fear that I noticed that these young people were managing, this invisible weight, and I wanted to say, my goodness, people, it's okay to feel this way and you're not alone, and you don't have to have a perfect action plan to belong in a conversation ever. And if we can get our coaching clients to realize no one has to have a perfect action plan, I mean, heck, that's what we're here to do is to help them. But that eco-anxiety doesn't really necessarily, it doesn't really pronounce itself. And so for the Gen Z it wasn't a distant threat. It's shaping their identity, their career, their sense of purpose.

Arianne Wiener:

And, ironically, since this conversation and writing about it with you, I am getting a lot more Gen Z clients. Not because I'm advertising it. It's that thing that we say if you put it out to the universe, if you just get involved with something, it kind of comes to you and you know, next thing, I know I've got clients that are saying, Arianne, I can't talk about a five-year plan with you. That just doesn't mesh. I mean the world is on fire. I mean how can I make choices when everything seems so out of control? And so that takeaway for us, for coaches, is to understand that maybe Gen X and boomers. So I'm at the end of Gen X, you're at the end of the boomers.

Arianne Wiener:

And it might show up for us more as stress around hearing business sustainability, frustration, how systems are working, and we have to listen to that, because now we have people in career doubt.

Garry Schleifer:

But I have to ask you. You went from not talking about it, to being open to talk about it. How did you let your existing, how did you introduce it in your conversations with your existing clients?

Arianne Wiener:

I just started asking. You know how we have this big, long list of questions and then there are those favorite questions we really love to ask, and I thought none of those questions have anything to do with the climate. None of them. I said to myself, Arianne, you've got a lot of people that the climate is going to change their businesses and how they're thinking, and so I just started asking.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, okay, but how did you reconcile that this wasn't their agenda?

Arianne Wiener:

Ah, great question. So when they talked to me about overwhelm and anxiety, which always comes up, usually, somewhere along the way.

Garry Schleifer:

t some point along the way. You got it.

Arianne Wiener:

Yeah, I said, is there anything about what's going on in the world that might be lingering in the background? And they'll say to me, like maybe, what do you mean? And I'll say, oh, like maybe the climate or how your business is being impacted by the need for sustainability, for example, and so it would come up in a nature of conversation. What was interesting is oh my gosh, Arianne, thank you, fabulous question. I hadn't really put two and two together. So I kind of go into the question in a backdoor way in asking an open-ended question about their anxiety and how other things are impacting them, and then the conversation would evolve. What has been interesting about it is they started talking about the headlines and maybe that didn't show up maybe in the original conversation. You know when we ask, hey, what do you want to focus on?

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah right.

Arianne Wiener:

Right. And then they'll say oh my gosh, I didn't realize that by the end of the session we couldn't solve all the problems of the world, but I'm feeling a little bit better about them.

Garry Schleifer:

Right.

Arianne Wiener:

And so it's that way of kind of encouraging that adaptive thinking while we're talking about whatever is the crux of their issue on that particular day.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, it's interesting you said earlier about bringing the two together when they said thank you for that question, great question. The same thing happened to me when I was putting this issue together. I was talking about it and I kept pushing it forward, pushing it forward, had the idea, but I couldn't reconcile it to coaching. And then my friend, Suzie Pomerantz, introduced me to Renee Freedman, who was my co-lead on this issue, and oh my gosh, she has had the two intertwined for 30 years. And I'm like so tell me how that works, tell me we should talk to? And so here we are today, you're having written this from bringing pot, and because you're not a climate conscious coach. I'm not a conscious coach.

Garry Schleifer:

So we're making the connection for ourselves and bringing it out into the light and saying, okay, I'm open to the conversation. Now how can I, as an ethical coach, bring it in? Which is why I asked the question about how do you bring it in? Not that it's unethical to bring it in without being the agenda. I'm sure we kind of slip up based on what's going on for us every day, you know. But to your point, it's like you're now open to the idea, you're aware, and not just open to the idea. You've become educated.

Garry Schleifer:

My gosh, what you wrote in the article about cross-generational, the echo anxiety and just giving us coaches a bunch of questions to ask ourselves to just be prepared, to just know what our role can be. It's kind of the same thing when we started off, I think, with more of the DEI conversation, and I remember clearly we created a column for that to keep the conversation alive, just so that we're prepared to have it and have some education around it. So thank you very much for that. Now I do have to ask because now, okay, so fast forward. Arianne is coaching leaders and and human beings. How does it not turn into each session that talks about climate consciousness torn into a doom spiral?

Arianne Wiener:

Ah, great question. I think one thing is that you have to know this is a problem that doesn't go away and it just keeps us from dealing with it in a healthy way, and that we all have a role in it, whether we're reducing our carbon footprint, whether we're supporting climate policy or even just taking care of our mental health as we face these challenges, like I said, the things that happen in the background. So when we're talking about transition, for example, if I'm dealing with people who are shifting careers or navigating caregiving or coaching through burnout, it's all about the transition. So now part of it is, I'll say how is your transition really changing now? What might be happening in the world that is impacting the transition that you haven't thought about? And then there's a big pause. Do you bring it up? I really have to talk about the fact that being anxious in general isn't a weakness. This is part of our normal human experience.

Arianne Wiener:

And I think we talk about anxiety. We have all kinds of anxieties. So maybe for the younger people they're like oh my gosh, I didn't create these problems, but now you want me to fix it. And maybe the older people are like holy cow, I should have attuned to this better. Earlier, right. But I think it goes back to this thing that tension always with our clients when they're really feeling doom and gloom, between despair and action where the real work begins. That's like our sweet spot as a coach. It's the hard thing.

Arianne Wiener:

So I often think of that law of the rubber band that I think John Maxwell coined, where, you know, growth and progress occur when we're stretched out of our comfort zones, like a rubber band is stretched.

Arianne Wiener:

And I think that if we know that we're already stretched, if we already know that they're showing up stretched, we can sit in a space going OK, I can help make that connection, I can help them create more space and I can tune into the emotional undercurrents of their lives.

Arianne Wiener:

And I think that is the piece that we need to turn our listening to that undercurrent. And I think that sometimes, like I said, we have these questions but we forget that there is a whole other thing out there where we don't always have the right question and we need to attune in a way where you have to listen for the silence of that backdrop, because we're missing the full picture if we don't, and sometimes that despair isn't so clear. We have to break it down, and sometimes breaking it down means we're going to take a breath with our client. Where are they feeling it in their body? Just take that pause and maybe today we won't have the answer, and that is okay. It's not about our answer, it's about theirs.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, no, thank you.

Garry Schleifer:

Well said, well said. I don't know why, and this is totally not related to your article, but all of a sudden I pictured you coaching in nature, bringing nature into it.

Arianne Wiener:

Okay, well, I do live in a resort ski town, if you want to call it that. I live in Mammoth Lakes, California. I'm outside of Yosemite. I live in nature. It is a big thing for me. It's my love. I've been doing it way before we had Zoom. I made a way to work and be in the mountains all the time. I definitely think it's my cathedral. I feel that when we can take perspective about what is around us, we realize in a way how insignificant some of these things that we feel and think are, and when we can look at the bigger picture and nature, it's full of all kinds of things if we allow it, if we listen to it.

Arianne Wiener:

And even if you're in the city, I mean you hear a little bird tweet and you tune in and all of a sudden, whatever else that brain chatter in your head just takes it down. Maybe you're at the beach and not at the mountains. Whatever works for you, I think, is a big deal. We have to remember that we have to connect whatever connecting in some way. So, yes, nature is a big part of who I am and my values for sure.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, so no surprise that this really resonated with you to do this. You know, speaking of connecting with nature, I live in the suburbs of Toronto and I'm on the 32nd floor of a 38-story building and, on a regular basis, nature, in the form of a, I think, a red-tailed hawk, goes flying by, well soaring, sailing through the wind, and I have to just pause and look and just feel so grateful that I got to see this beautiful, graceful creature go by. And a reminder to that connection back to nature, even in suburbia. This guy or girl lives somewhere in this neighborhood, so they've adapted to our environment. We put up these mega buildings and then they just find a home. It's a concrete tree to them, right? It's a cliff, a concrete cliff, a concrete crevice, you know.

Garry Schleifer:

So they're living around here somewhere, I don't know which building, but beautiful.

Arianne Wiener:

Well, they've created their own resilience, right? On some level, their own adaptability, right? I mean, which is really cool. I mean, if they can do it, can't we?

Garry Schleifer:

Well, you just talked yourself into that conversation, my young friend. I didn't even set this up this way, listeners. You talked a lot about resilience in your article, so let's just go there. What does it look like today? Like, especially where there's climate. Climate conversations are getting crazier every day. Like, look at, like all the storms in the US right now and the flooding and the temperature increase, the Paris Accord, all this sort of stuff. Tell me more about resilience.

Arianne Wiener:

It's interesting that you mentioned it because I definitely, living in California, had friends that lost their everything.

Garry Schleifer:

Oh, right, yeah exactly.

Arianne Wiener:

So now they are absolutely a result of a climatic event, a natural event, and so for them, that conversation obviously is very much in tune with how am I going to manage today versus, let's say, the Gen Z who can have that existential angst. So, getting back to the resilience, I mean very much like the pandemic, if we didn't learn from it then are we ready to learn from it now? Are we ready in the midst of this change? I think this is, as coaches, where we step in. One, we're not here to fix the crisis, nor are we there to fix our client but we're there to help build our client's inner capacity, that ability for them to have clarity and, more importantly, that we support them and have them find ways in their world also to find support so they can have courage to navigate it. We help our clients name those fears and reconnecting with what matters most to them.

Arianne Wiener:

I'm a big person about values and driven action in the midst of uncertainty, so resilience isn't about avoiding anxiety. It's about learning to live, lead and choose to live meaningfully within it. So part of it is how do we help them embrace adaptive thinking? How do you get some flexibility in that? We don't know why your red tail hawk ended up in your neighborhood. So getting our client to be able to adjust to different strategies, to a new reality. I think the other thing is we need to strengthen their emotional intelligence and recognize that clients need to learn how we manage our emotions. So, for example, I'll say to them hey, how did you get in the mood you're in today? And I will say many of them will say I really need to stop watching the news.

Arianne Wiener:

I need to stop listening to it on my way to work, for example, and I said, okay, so how can you turn that little bit of time into a more proactive engagement because clearly it's starting your day and tanking it before you've even finished that cup of coffee, and the same thing when they go to bed, for example. That's just a quick one, but the emotional intelligence is also, for some of my older clients who have business, I said you got to remember that you're younger people, there's a lot going on that maybe you're not tuning into. When's the last time you just chatted with them?

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah.

Arianne Wiener:

That's part of that. And then the other thing is, I think, cultivating those community connections and those networks, and what other way could they possibly get involved? But the biggest thing, Garry, over and over and over again, if you cannot align your actions with your core values, honestly, how can we assist our clients in identifying what's really happening, if we don't help them identify what those values are? Because it's those values that give us purpose and agency for everything we do, everything.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, I hear you.

Garry Schleifer:

t's interesting you should say that, because that's come up a lot with my clients lately is values and the connection to that and what's going on for them and the impact. Also, when I hear resilience, I'm reminded of your earlier comments about the rubber band and I always connect resilience with recovery, like the ability to recover, not necessarily in the form that it was, but in the form that perhaps it needs to be or differently than it was.

Arianne Wiener:

That's a great observation, because I think that resilience isn't about being unshakable. It's about being movable and renewable, and so it's knowing when to lean in and when to rest. You can't hold the weight of the world 24-7. I think it's also cultivating that emotional range like it's okay to grieve and joy all in the same day. I mean, heck, step into your 15 year old self.

Arianne Wiener:

My goodness, maybe that's a little too much in the same hour, that's for sure but if we can practice in small grounding rituals like putting your phone down, going outside, listening to a ridiculous playlist that reminds you of who you are outside of that news cycle. I am so brave that sometimes I'll say to my client let's just stop for a moment, can you just get up and let's get our wiggles out?

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, exactly.

Arianne Wiener:

And then I'll say to them go find your people, and maybe climate resilience is a new community sport. Move over pickleball, there's something new.

Garry Schleifer:

Hey, be careful of Pickleball. A. It's the fastest growing sport in North America and B. they're reclaiming unused tennis courts, so they're basically Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. They're recycling. No, I'm just kidding.

Arianne Wiener:

I mean, like I wrote in my article, I think sometimes resilience is just choosing to make dinner and not fall into a doom scroll, or these days you might be ordering a pizza and watching a terrible reality show but you're reminding yourself the joy is still allowed in the middle of all the things that are happening, because resilience, like us, is completely imperfect. It's adaptive and it is sometimes messy, but I think it's one of the most important things we can cultivate right now and it's something that we really need to, for us older folks, teach our younger people on how to become more resilient. No, no, you can't tell a client how to do it, but we certainly can tease it out.

Garry Schleifer:

And we can lead by example.

Arianne Wiener:

Absolutely, and it's really interesting when you get to say to a client, hey, I'm really noticing a change here, what do you think? And they're like, I just feel better. I just feel like I've got some tools that are helping me. Wow, we just built resilience.

Arianne Wiener:

I mean, we may not be calling it out. We may not be like, oh, I'm a resilience coach, but that's what we do as coaches, right? I mean, I would hope that that's what we're doing, that we're making them feel that they can be messy and okay at the same time.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, well hey, and us coaches, we are as non-judgmental as we can be and it's a safe environment. I keep reminding my clients just whatever's there is there. You don't have to go with what you were planning in your first session, things like that. So thank you for that reminder.

Arianne Wiener:

And the values can also change. I think this is something also I'd like to share. We have our values, but sometimes those definitions might change or they may take a new coin word or whatever. So it's not something that I do at the very beginning when I have a new client. It is something that is woven throughout.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, I do like values mining. I watch for the values and then when it starts to get to a tipping point of I think it's time to introduce values conversation with my client. Yeah, I hear you.

Arianne Wiener:

It's just something that I'm like you have it within yourself.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, exactly. Arianne, lovely, lovely conversation. I can't tell you. Article is fantastic, conversation is great. What would you like our audience to do as a result of the article in this conversation?

Arianne Wiener:

I think, get involved in some climate-related issues for yourself. Take a look at how do you feel about these things. You need to take inventory with yourself. If you want to deepen your understanding and practice, I would highly encourage you to join communities like the Climate Coaching Alliance, and here in North America we have the Climbing Psychological Alliance. Both of them have a wealth of knowledge so I would start there.

Arianne Wiener:

I would definitely encourage you to engage in conversations beyond your client base, including dialogues with multiple generations, and broaden your perspective and maybe take a moment to reflect on your own ecological footprint and consider how your own values align with your coaching practice. I mean our clients consider seeking coaches who are informed and proactive about whatever it is. Why not just add some climate issues into that? Because then it'll become part of your natural way to ask a question, because we're trying to ensure that their personal growth aligns with their efforts, and their efforts are part of being the being in this world. Everything in this world is changing, and so if we can't embrace some sort of climate conscious coaching in some way, we're denying our clients a great, fruitful conversation to be more resilient and have a more sustainable future, and I truly believe that we can step together as coaches, foster that growth awareness and make positive change for our clients and for the world in general.

Garry Schleifer:

Yeah, well, and to our readers and listeners in the article there are some ways to help.

Garry Schleifer:

Quick tips on how to help your clients get grounded through the conversation. Some questions for coaches. So thank you very much. Arianne, what's the best way to reach you?

Arianne Wiener:

Well, they can reach me at arianne@ implementingchange. com. They can go to my website, but, more importantly, I'm going to give you my phone number because I am of a generation that believes in reaching out and touching someone. It's 858-232-8064. Call me, leave a message. I'd be happy to return it and have a conversation.

Garry Schleifer:

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us for this Beyond the Page episode. For more episodes, subscribe via your favorite podcast app. If you're not a subscriber to choice Magazine, you can sign up for a free digital issue by scanning the QR code in the top right-hand corner of this video. If you're not watching but listening, you can go to choice-online. com and click the Sign Up Now button. Arianne, thanks again.

Arianne Wiener:

Thank you, Garry. It's been a pleasure and I am so happy to have this conversation with you.

Garry Schleifer:

We hope to hear from you again soon.

Arianne Wiener:

Thank you, Gary.

Garry Schleifer:

I'm Gary Schleifer. Enjoy the journey of mastery.